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General Discussion / Re: The gospel
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 04, 2018, 10:09:16 am »
I must correct that the gospel according to all true Christians is not a watered down gospel one must still be wise virgins and not bury ones talents.
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General Discussion / Re: Beware of crafty wolves in sheep clothing
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 01, 2018, 09:15:56 am »
You are free to debate respectfully
Even the non Christian we should not tell them off but aim to help and guide them lovingly if they need it and not if they are hostile to you which is why Jesus said take the plank out of your eye to see clearly to remove the speck out of another’s. You can only sow a seed and keep sowing if it is of God people will be convicted but if it is not of God people will not be convicted.
That seems to be close if not the same as the distinction between proselyting and preaching Pope Francis talks about.
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General Discussion / Beware of crafty wolves in sheep clothing
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 01, 2018, 05:22:59 am »
Some people’s intent is to destroy people’s faith and stumble them. I don’t talk of those who want to be open to the truth and don’t judge until they can help people and righteous enough to admit they may not know the truth. If people have no doubts about their beliefs atleast they should say I have no doubt in what I believe but I could be wrong.You can speak without pronouncing sure judgements and therefore being guilty of judging because only Jesus can judge who has or is keeping His word and who deserves pardon One should ask for God to give them evidence to share with others. I don’t mean necessarily intellectual but I mean for God to open others eyes to see the truth and show it to them somehow

Every person has always been accepted who believed in Christ and repented. Paul says grace and peace to all who calll upon the name of our Lord Jesus.

Only when God revealed to them somehow they needed to join the church they had to join the church. I also try to describe this as being witnessed with power

The truth is Christians have to strive to be dead to sin by their faith in Christ. The apostles are not the only teachers. God distributes gifts to the whole Christian body

Ephesians 2:11-16
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the
trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Christ Our Peace
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Every person has always been accepted who believed in Christ and repented. Paul says grace and peace to all who calll upon the name of our Lord Jesus.

Only when God revealed to them somehow they needed to join the church they had to join the church. I also try to describe this as being witnessed with power

The truth is Christians have to strive to be dead to sin by their faith in Christ. The apostles are not the only teachers. God distributes gifts to the whole Christian body

Ephesians 2:11-16
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the
trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Christ Our Peace
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

I posted that here
https://forums.catholic.com/t/on-this-rock-i-build-my-church/500527/132?u=truthlovingorthodox
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General Discussion / Worshipping in Spirit and Truth
« Last post by mikeforjesus on July 30, 2018, 04:13:50 am »
We must worship in Spirit and truth

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

Baptism like circumcision is indeed profitable if we keep the commandments of God
Paul said Abraham was saved before circumcision but because he had true faith he obeyed and got circumcised.
Protestants also get baptised. It may be required for all or it may not for those who repent later or who don’t know they need to or it is too late to be baptised or there is no one that does not know he needs to be baptised so he must repent of it I do not know
Jesus is saying all are in need to learn from Him how to worship in Spirit and truth. This means we are open to learning from Jesus even if we are not convinced yet others are saved. He would prefer us all to be united but in truth and through the Spirit when the Spirit wishes or we are ready for the Spirit to fully unite us and give us truth. If God ordained the sacraments like communion He may not require all to have communion now to eat His flesh and drink His blood but He allows some to eat His flesh and drink His blood spiritually if they deserve excuse if they can't find the truth or God excuses them not to find it. Those who are orthodox should remain orthodox unless they don't feel like they are witnessing to christ well in it and perhaps they should stay anyway if they are strong that may be true but that is not my choice they could convert to something else like me if they doubt they can witness but if after converting it seems bad staying you should convert back or if it seems good to all for you to go back to the orthodox church you can go back.

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Until I am ready to accept the church teachings and I also thought to learn from the catholics in the below thread I think I just accept catholic and orthodox but I do not believe life is only in those who take communion in the church so that makes me protestant. I believe one must eat Jesus flesh and drink His blood and orthodox and catholic can do so if they believe truly without the Lords coming they could not be saved.
I have this dvd at home on the teaching the Lost Sheep by billy graham. I do believe being born again gives spiritual life. However I know it is a possibility though that does not mean I confess I know it is true that jesus founded a church which is now split into orthodox and catholic so I should be accepted into their fellowship. I know the orthodox and probably catholic really minister to people with needs not just individual but so do protestants it seems. I still want to learn how to serve God like the orthodox do. I want to see if I am missing something but I do think protestants serve God too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?embed=no&v=PhJaouXvhEI

https://forums.catholic.com/t/on-this-rock-i-build-my-church/500527/3

I agree with below from John Gill who is protestant

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Then Jesus said unto them,.... The Jews, who were litigating this point among themselves:
verily, verily, I say unto you; or you may assure yourselves of the truth of what follows,

except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you: by "the son of man", Christ means himself; under which title he often speaks of himself; because it was a title of the Messiah under the Old Testament; and was expressive of the truth of his human nature, though as attended with weakness and infirmities. The "flesh" and "blood" of Christ do not design those distinct parts of his body; much less as separate from each other; nor the whole body of Christ, but his whole human nature; or Christ, as having united a perfect human nature to him, in order to shed his blood for the remission of sin, and to offer up his soul and body a sacrifice for it: and the eating of these is not to be understood of a corporeal eating of them, as the Capernaites understood them; and since them the Papists, who affirm, that the bread and wine in the Lord's supper are transubstantiated into the very body and blood of Christ, and so eaten: but this is not to be understood of eating and drinking in the Lord's supper, which, as yet, was not instituted; and some, without participating of this, have spiritual life in them now, and will enjoy eternal life hereafter; and all that partake of that ordinance have not the one, nor shall have the other: and besides, having a principle of spiritual life in the soul, is previously necessary to a right eating of the supper of the Lord. These words, understood in this sense, once introduced infants to the Lord's supper; as misinterpretation of John 3:5 brought in the baptism of them. But the words design a spiritual eating of Christ by faith. To eat the flesh, and drink the blood of Christ, is to believe that Christ is come in the flesh, and is truly and really man; that his flesh is given for the life of his people, and his blood is shed for their sins, and this with some view and application to themselves: it is to partake of, and enjoy the several blessings of grace procured by him, such as redemption, pardon, peace, justification, &c. and such a feeding upon him as is attended with growth in grace, and in the knowledge of him, and is daily to be repeated, as our corporeal food is, otherwise persons have no life in them: without this there, is no evidence of life in them; not such live as feed on sinful pleasures, or on their own righteousness; only such that believe in Christ are living souls; and without this there is nothing to support life; everything else that a man eats tends to death; but this is what will maintain and preserve a spiritual life; and without this there is no just expectation of eternal life; but where there is this, there is good reason to expect it, and such shall enjoy it: some copies and versions read, "ye shall not have life in you"; eternal life. Now, though the acts of eating and drinking do not give the right to eternal life, but the flesh, blood, and righteousness of Christ, which faith lays hold, and feeds upon; yet it is by faith the right is claimed; and between these acts of faith, and eternal life, there is an inseparable connection.
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General Discussion / Re: Should we be afraid of the times we live in?
« Last post by mikeforjesus on July 28, 2018, 10:08:42 am »
Jeremiah 14:14-15
14 And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who prophesy in My name, whom I did not send, and who say, ‘Sword and famine shall not be in this land’—‘By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed!

Jeremiah 23:21-32
21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.
23 “Am I a God near at hand,” says the Lord,
“And not a God afar off?
24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?” says the Lord;
“Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord.
25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 “The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat?” says the Lord.
29 “Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord,
“And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who use their tongues and say, ‘He says.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” says the Lord, “and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,” says the Lord.
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Jeremiah 23:1-2
The Branch of Righteousness
1 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.

There are evil teachers and good teachers. I obviously am an evil teacher. I drive people away by being partial in my judgement and self righteous. When the bible says there is none righteous. It is hard to believe but none of us go to heaven by good deeds eternal life is a gift that one must receive as a little child. That is you trust God will save you and guide you and make you alive and do His will naturally.
Everyone who is faithful on little shall be ruler on much. The Lord gives the same reward to those of the eleventh hour as those in the first hour which is the kingdom and also they could be first because it is not too late for sinners alive to even bear fruit 100 fold since Jesus said there are last who will be first and First Last but one should be happy just to go to heaven but everyone must bear some fruit atleast the smallest amount as Paul says when you obeyed the gospel you had fruit to holiness and the end eternal life.   The person who commits suicide may not be saved but God will judge them if they truly deserve excuse we could err in judging anyone fate it is up to God the number He will excuse could be very few and they must deserve it but what I am saying is they may never have been alive or who had true faith which is evident by works when they were alive or when they die. The bible says if a righteous person turns away from righteousness none of his former deeds will be remembered but he will die for that
Jesus judges the churches in revelations saying they must go back to old works. The person is not saved unless he is alive when the Lord comes even at death so the thief which is death does not take the unready. So Paul says you are all sons of the day and not in darkness that that day should come as a thief

Eternal life is a free gift through faith not of works lest any should boast but there are rewards in heaven but the person must still repent and have the gospel and beware sinning and not being watchful like foolish virgins and die being unaware without the true faith. So you have eternal life if you truly believe Jesus in Jesus which would lead to some works even the minimum allowed to go to heaven. But the oil and faith and trust in Jesus for salvation can run out if you are not strengthening the things which remain and your faith becomes dead. Paul said we must give careful heed to the things we have heard lest we drift away
St. John said he who has the Son has life already and then says to continue to believe in the Son of God. One must always worry he doesn’t have the faith and trust as proven by works

St Paul says eternal life is given to those by patient continuance in doing good. That is why I said good deeds may earn rewards which is life as Jesus also said lay up treasure in heaven. But it may mean by patient continuance in doing good to be patient until you fully believe the gospel that you may bear 30 fold or any fruit to holiness and everlasting life. That is why Jesus said labor for the food which endures to everlasting life and explains the work of God is to believe on Him whom He sent. How can Christ say he who believes in Me passes from death to life therefore it seems to mean believe that He will make all those who believe in Him remember His commandments to do them. But the wise worried they have no oil that is they examined themselves if they are in the faith if they are not produced fruit so they kept going to the word of God to make sure their faith is real. Since why would jesus say he who believes in Me passes from death to life and yet whoever hears these sayings of Mine and does not do them will be like the foolish man who built his house on the sand ? He explains it by saying I never knew you because if you believe in Him you would do His commandments and believe His commandments and know them and all His teaching because God may not give true faith to those who don’t seek to accept His will as He said he who wills to do His will will know concerning My doctrine whether it is from God.

Therefore you would not stay questioning His eternal judgements and that He is the only way to heaven and whatever He teaches you will understand and do for jesus said the Holy Spirit will guide us in all truth which we have by believing. If you don’t really agree with the true meaning of His teachings ir means you don’t truly believe in Jesus for He will show everything to you and the Holy Spirit will guide you in all truth

So St James says faith without works is dead. That is you may have lost it like the oil that is dead in the foolish virgins lamp. It makes sense why would anyone work unless one truly believes
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General Discussion / Jesus leaves the 99 to seek the one lost
« Last post by mikeforjesus on July 26, 2018, 05:43:56 am »
Jesus loves the repentant sinner as much as the one without sin so He even leaves the 99 because He doesn’t care about sin as much as repentance. That is a parable not literal. He does worry people turn to sin because they may not turn back and their conscience could be burdened from their sin. But Jesus is rest for the weary. But they must seek Him diligently to find Him
If I do not love people equally I shall go to hell. You can only have a change in heart on earth. I hope for some wisdom so atleast I have some mercy less suffering in hell if I go there. I hope I can not stumble any more and that I can help others go to heaven or at least not prevent as the Pharisees did or more people.  A man speaks as out of the abundance of his heart. My heart was wicked which is why you can not expect to get fruit from a thistle tree which I may be. Many people may want to show off they have a good heart by trying to speak good words but they will stumble from their pride
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General Discussion / Should we be afraid of the times we live in?
« Last post by mikeforjesus on July 25, 2018, 08:22:48 am »
I have a pamphlet from the Catholic Church that explains that the devil can often appear in the form of our Lord or our lady.

I think that explains my dream when I was young where Jesus said to me do not be afraid. If I was a good child it seems it would be bad to give me a false vision but I think I was a bad child. Even if the Lord appeared to me it does not mean we are living in the end of days. We might be but might not. It may mean just that don’t be afraid I don’t mean to end the world now but I want you to be a faithful witness. Because some people may take advantage of my dream to try to make the end happen. Unfortunately they only hurt their own soul.
It really may be or not. Some may hate my pride to believe God gave me a dream so they want to mock the dream by being evil and saying what became of revealing your dream except more evil.
Anyway God may allow one to dream what is in his heart and what he wants but it is not from God.
We must not think the end of the world is here so we think we can’t make a difference in the world it seems an excuse and one that the one who buried his talent used as an excuse saying he could not
I mean we should not use as an excuse the verse from Amos therefore the prudent keep silent in that time for it is an evil time. Yes sometimes silence helps in evil times but we can not assume it is especially an evil time now as though we know it is the end of the world that normally we would be able to do some good works  that we can not now.
The ones who should not speak are the fools but there should be wise people prayed for which God can prepare for Him. The labourers of His harvest
If we want to change the world it begins with ourselves. Let Christians pray for one another and support one another to be holy as it is said in 2 Chronicles 7:14 If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
When Jesus said he who is least in the kingdom is greater than John the Baptist he perhaps did not mean all would be like him as God in the past also did not expect all to do the job of prophets but that their influence would be like Johns. Elijah also was a man with a nature like ours meaning we can be effective like him but we don’t have his job. We need not go to preach to others who are not ready to hear but we should not compromise the gospel because we are afraid. We trust in God for protection by rightly teaching our flock how to prepare themselves. Those who are not ready for persecution even Jesus explains they should flee to another city as even Jesus did from Herod and He explains that we should flee to the mountains when the antichrist who is described as a desolater that is persecuter is there and there are other persecuters here. Perhaps Jesus explains there will be those who try to comfort with false dreams saying Jesus told them not to be afraid Jesus like He told the disciples in the upper room. Of course it is okay to receive encouragement but we need to teach good to prepare others

The Great Tribulation
(Mark 13:14–23; Luke 17:23, 24, 37; 21:20–24)
15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together
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General Discussion / Dying in sin has no healing or remedy
« Last post by mikeforjesus on July 22, 2018, 02:13:37 pm »
By dying in sin I mean blasphemy of Holy Spirit which includes some things God knows not just rejecting Jesus. Also we know there are rewards in heaven since Jesus said lay up treasure in heaven itmay mean just you have tio do good deeds to go to heaven by which is meant treasure in heaven but I believe there are rewards and repentant sinners can have great rewards. In Gods house are many mansions but there is no envy. I am already disqualified from all rewards as my sin has no remedy as it could destroy many but I can still be saved I hope


Sirach 21:1-10
1 Have you sinned, my son? Do so no more,
but pray about your former sins.
2 Flee from sin as from a snake;
for if you approach sin, it will bite you.
Its teeth are lion's teeth,
and destroy the souls of men. If
3 All lawlessness is like a two-edged sword;
there is no healing for its wound.
4 Terror and violence will lay waste riches;
thus the house of the proud will be laid waste.
5 The prayer of a poor man goes from his lips to the ears of God,
and his judgment comes speedily.
6 Whoever hates reproof walks in the steps of the sinner,
but he that fears the Lord will repent in his heart.
7 He who is mighty in speech is known from afar;
but the sensible man, when he slips, is aware of it.
8 A man who builds his house with other people's money
is like one who gathers stones for his burial mound.
9 An assembly of the wicked is like tow gathered together,
and their end is a flame of fire.
10 The way of sinners is smoothly paved with stones,
but at its end is the pit of Hades.

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/29-1.htm

Proverbs 1:28-33
28 “Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
29 Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the Lord,
30 They would have none of my counsel
And despised my every rebuke.
31 Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way,
And be filled to the full with their own fancies.
32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely,
And will be secure, without fear of evil.”
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