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General Discussion / Re: We must give careful heed lest we drift away
« Last post by mikeforjesus on October 24, 2018, 11:52:36 am »
The church seems to agree with that. They are not against success if it is not for yourself but to give most to the poor but how then can you succeed more to give to the poor? Because they are against even having any pleasure for yourself. But Paul says he richly gives us all things to enjoy. Some take that to mean we enjoy the little as long as we have Christ as David says I rejoice in you more than in the season their grain and wine increases. But Solomon says in Ecclesiastes we should enjoy the fruits of our labor for that is our portion
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General Discussion / We must give careful heed lest we drift away
« Last post by mikeforjesus on October 24, 2018, 11:42:23 am »
Hebrews 2:1-3
(1) Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. (2) For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, (3) how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

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These verses are similar to Proverbs 21:16: "A man who wanders from the way of understanding will rest in the assembly of the dead." The person who is neglecting his salvation is not deliberately setting his mind to turn away from God or His way of life. He is simply, through neglect, allowing himself to drift in that direction. He does not plan to go that way; he gets distracted by things in his life—by hobbies, work, rearing children, and a great many other things. No matter what it is, he allows himself to neglect what has been given to him.
The metaphor used here is of a boat that has slipped its mooring and is drifting within the harbor. Just drifting with the current.
Both of these verses point to a major problem we see in the end-time church of God. We may call it Laodiceanism, and that is a very nice "tag" to put on it. We can comfortably say the word, but are we aware that a Laodicean is a drifter? A Laodicean is somebody who is hanging on to the best of both possible worlds, as he sees it. He has one foot in the church and one foot in the world, and he does not realize that he is drifting.
This is the kind of person that God says He finds unpalatable—one He will spit out of His mouth (Revelation 3:16).

— John W. Ritenbaugh
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General Discussion / 1 Timothy 3:15 Church is the pillar and ground of truth
« Last post by mikeforjesus on September 26, 2018, 03:55:15 pm »
1 Timothy 3:15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The scriptures were chosen by the church and the scriptures can be rightly interpreted only by Christians
It is not clear whether it includes the holy synod or also orthodox laymen or any other Christian

Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against the church . Has only 1 church been able to preserve the truth throughout all generations or has the church only be made necessary to be one since the beginning
to choose the books of the bible and now through every believers input no matter what church you can more easily know the truth

Or does God still work to preserve the truth through one church yet still accept other Christians

It needs more study. You can not say just beceause of this one verse it is enough to convince one that there is only one true church. Atleast not for those who lack faith for whatever reason not to want to trust the church
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General Discussion / Jesus is bread of life but we must labor for that bread
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 25, 2018, 02:27:56 am »
Jesus said labor not for the food that perishes but for the food that endures to everlasting life which the Son of man will give you

It may be saying He is saying we must labor for the knowledge of the truth to have spiritual life which is also necessary not just taking Him in the sacrament if one is not eating His body and blood spiritually outside the sacrament
He said the words I speak to you are spirit and they are life

However I can not see how one can dismiss the church history of church father writings for belief in what was one true church and the Eucharist sacrament being the actual body and blood of Christ but I do not think that means if there were people unwitnessed to in the church that God would not also give them spiritual life. He was kind to righteous gentiles in the Old Testament and Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. People are judged according to what light they can know. And they would have to absolutely know it is the truth. So all should seek the truth and follow what they absolutely know is true. If one thinks the church is true you can join it but the full truth may be in the bible so you should not judge Protestants
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General Discussion / Re: I decided to accept Protestants and this is why
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 10, 2018, 08:04:09 pm »
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General Discussion / I decided to accept Protestants and this is why
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 10, 2018, 07:43:18 pm »
Though others may teach the truth and confirm the gospel is for all people may not come across it and I be held responsible for judging others

I don’t believe it is my job to convert others but God raises children to Abraham from stones. He can bring them to the church if they must.I am willing to trust in that and hope in my salvation from Jesus alone but I trust in God to guide me if He thinks it is right to the church I will not hide away from letting the church try to convince me I will seek transformation in the church if it can perhaps transform me my thinking and life and to preach it. I should be allowed communion because I still believe though I doubt and my doubt can be right. I should be allowed to have communion to turn from my doubt but if not I may decide I have to do without communion

It does not matter how right we are the bible says if we can’t turn people and have salt we are worthless
We can pray all we want yet things won’t change as Isaiah says though we make many prayers but not doing His of loving others God will hide His face because we have to seek to repent for God to work with us
It may be he accepts them but He will work with us later as His church
I thought going to confession and church would make me have a spiritual life and not stumbling block but I don’t feel by my decision the Holy Spirit has returned to me as much as I desired and other sins are being added

Though we make many prayers we are still responsible for hurting others if we do not attend to their needs as Isaiah says of attending to orphan widow and also rebuking the oppressor that is someone who makes others give up faith in God. We should visit orphans and widows in their trouble to see if we can help them materially and also spiritually if we know we can comfort them and to try to but only those who die in Christ and repentance  have hope but only God may know in what cases they do

You are free to believe only the church may have salvation but you should always desire the truth and to be perfect to keep seeking if you feel convicted even if you do not find by not being diligent enough for full truth. Some people out of good conscience think it is important to be rigid with the tradition but there are those of us who feel it is our duty not to be rigid

Mark 12:33-34 Explains we must know and love God and love our neighbor

Mark 12:33-34
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
But after that no one dared question Him.
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General Discussion / We must hate the world to be alive to God
« Last post by mikeforjesus on August 10, 2018, 07:24:08 pm »
I am not worthy to preach this message because I may not be a good witness to the church and may not know the way to life so I may not have the right to judge the world but it is still true. I wrote it when I had more faith that protestants can be saved but now I dont want to teach it definitely unless I can believe the early church writings after the apostles need not be a source of stumbling to conclude they may be condemned which maybe only God knows if they rejected His church being worthy of guilt even if all

We must hate the world to be alive to God

James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

We must not be accepting of the world at all but only love them through God. We do not fear God if we do not stand aloof for fear of our judgement.

Unfortunately we do not really fear God but even the demons believe and tremble

We will all be judged for accepting harlotry by not condemning it and being sensitive as lot was who was grieved by what he saw because it is an evil that deserves them to go to hell. Paul said he already judges the sinner he wishes not death of sinner if they repent but he also wishes death of the unrepentant for hatred of their deeds

We will all be judged for befriending the world by not fearing as Jude says hating the garment defiled by the flesh that is to be defiled by it so we will partake in the judgement of the great harlot standing aloof from her plague.

The great harlot is the spirit inspiring our harlotry

Revelation 19:3 
3 Again they said, “Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!”

we must be perfectly holy

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God

We must also hate the adultery against God of all who do not receive the gospel if they have truly been witnessed to by God but they may be witnessed to some other hour and despise their deeds and have hatred for their action and approval of their condemnation if they do not repent but yet desire their repentance and show desire for it while yet condemning the action. Also we must hate our own life that is of fellow believers who are adulterous against other words of the Lord Jesus

 
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God’s sheep know Him and He knows them for those who have true relation with Him which may be few in every church which it is up to God to give and up to them to truly diligently seek.  I mean they may have relation out of the church or they may not and not required to prove but they should still because it would be based on the truth
God will have relation with none outside the truth but the truth may be the gospel also saves those outside the church. Still they should join the church if they are not sure of their beliefs but also not judge those outside the church which they do not know but continue to seek the truth of the gospel. I mean if one has true relation he will not doubt his relation with God but he may or may not be able to prove his beliefs are corrects but I don’t know if this concept of relation truly exists and if one doubts his beliefs he should still join the church but seek true relation with God
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Would the Lord really offend people unjustly. He did after all perform miracles before He said difficult truths.
We should maybe be quiet also until the Lord can also verify our truth through our fruits.

St John the Baptist said to the Pharisees do not think we have Abraham as our father. Therefore we must bear fruit worthy of repentance. Even if we have true faith in Jesus. John says God is able to raise up children to Him even if that means supposedly to join the church
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